tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post3254096944064860981..comments2024-03-26T09:42:38.709-05:00Comments on ArchitectureChicago PLUS: At Marina City - Bertrand Goldberg: Screwed Again?Lynn Beckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03759748613223711212noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post-5354026050907637482013-02-01T22:05:49.937-06:002013-02-01T22:05:49.937-06:00the Parking Garage-and the Air Rights above..........the Parking Garage-and the Air Rights above.......<br />great............Marina Developmenthttp://www.cumberlandharbourga.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post-61052650717997903352013-01-30T22:27:19.946-06:002013-01-30T22:27:19.946-06:00THIS TIME.....
I just wrote an extremely long comm...THIS TIME.....<br />I just wrote an extremely long comment but after I clicked submit my comment didn't show up. Grrrr... well I'm not writing all that<br />over again. Anyway, just wanted to say wonderful blog!Marina Developmenthttp://www.cumberlandharbourga.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post-15336983928101474752013-01-29T22:05:40.725-06:002013-01-29T22:05:40.725-06:00REALLY GREAT .........
I must really commend you ...REALLY GREAT .........<br /><br />I must really commend you for your well written post on real estate. The article encompasses all the details that one would look for in a real estate related article. Keep doing the good work because one would really love to read more from you.Marina Developmenthttp://www.cumberlandharbourga.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post-85722909971627889242013-01-14T20:07:08.174-06:002013-01-14T20:07:08.174-06:00Great article as usual. One thing to keep in mind...Great article as usual. One thing to keep in mind, though, is that 860-880 LSD hasn't exactly been outperforming the market. It is one of the cheapest buildings in the area, though we could put together a bit of a counter-factual against some of the (even cheaper) midcentury towers around the southern Gold Coast / Norther Streeterville (which can be had for even less than an 860-880 apartment).<br /><br />All and all, it is probably not the most effective argument that an investment in good design is a good fiscal move, as evidenced by 860-880. The variables are too dense and, the fact that a nice place can be picked up for under 200K seems to blow some holes into the argument rather quickly. It is a much better argument that we need to landmark our midcentury masterpieces, as evidenced by 860-880.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post-63675447007305183392013-01-11T18:06:32.496-06:002013-01-11T18:06:32.496-06:00The computer renderings do not make me optimistic ...The computer renderings do not make me optimistic about the Marina City renovations, and I cringed when I read that the renovation entails removing the travertine stone on the elevator lobby walls. That stone is one of the most attractive interior features. It's also an important feature, as travertine proved a popular material in high modern Chicago architecture. Removing it would be a tragedy, as once it is gone, the board will never find it economical to reinstall. It will be lost forever.<br /><br />It's interesting to compare the planned renovation to the 860-880 restoration, but there are some important distinctions to keep in mind. 860-880 enjoy landmark status, so the restoration had to meet the approval of the Commission on Chicago Landmarks. Additionally, the co-op successively secured property tax relief from the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency, so the plans also had to comply with the state agency's standards. But you're right. 860-880 are the better for it. Box860https://www.blogger.com/profile/05799236245103952619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post-8052139809642121542013-01-11T01:23:46.692-06:002013-01-11T01:23:46.692-06:00First this: "...and lower 20 parking floors o...First this: "...and lower 20 parking floors of the twin towers were spun off to a separate owner who oversaw a downward spiral..."<br /><br />Pun intended? :P<br /><br />Fantastic article, and it sums up many of the frustrations I've been hearing from other residents. Do you have any information relating to the legal ramifications of the Board initially ignoring the petition and starting construction with no approval except their own?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post-75312289417472848612013-01-10T21:38:56.187-06:002013-01-10T21:38:56.187-06:00I won't dispute some of your points. Marina C...I won't dispute some of your points. Marina City has been the plaything of political insiders ever since it was built, from Charles Swibel to Ed Vrdolyak. I would hardly call 860-880, originally 250 units, as a "boutique" building, but there's no denying Marina is a much larger, more populist complex, which is all to the good. But Ferrari or muscle car, they both need respect, and will become valueless if you keep repairing them with inferior parts you bought from a friend of your brother-in-law who got them while scavenging an alley. Goldberg's original design was distinctive both outside and in, even as the building opened as very affordable housing. It's not unreasonable to suggest that returning to that level of quality is not only a reasonable goal, but one that would be financially rewarding for unit owners.Lynn Beckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03759748613223711212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post-31865080388661616152013-01-10T21:12:09.214-06:002013-01-10T21:12:09.214-06:00WELL, LB YOUR POINT IS LEGITIMATE. YOU ARE NOT WRO...WELL, LB YOUR POINT IS LEGITIMATE. YOU ARE NOT WRONG THE CONDO BOARD AT MARINA CITY IS GARBAGE--THE BUILDING IS BIG TIME AND IT DESERVES MORE RESPECT THAN ITS GETTING. <br /><br />HOWEVER LB, YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT MARINA CITY IS NOT ON THE SAME LEVEL AS 860-880 NORTH LAKESHORE. YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES. MIES IS MUCH MORE PROLIFIC THAN GOLDBERG AND IT SHOWS IN HOW RENOVATIONS ARE CARRIED OUT. <br /><br />FURTHER, MARINA CITY IS A MASSIVE COMPLEX FILLED WITH RENTERS AND SUBLETTERS WHILE LAKESHORE IS MORE OF A BOUTIQUE BUILDING. I DOUBT MANY 860-880 LAKESHORE OWNERS LEASE THEIR UNITS OUT. <br /><br />ADDITIONALLY, I WOULD SUSPECT A MUCH LARGER PROPORTION OF LAKESHORE OWNERS APPRECIATE THE ARTS AND ARCHITECTURE. FINALLY, THESE OWNERS ARE MOST LIKELY BETTER EDUCATED AND WEALTHIER THAN THOSE IN MARINA CITY.<br /><br />WHATS THIS ALL MEAN? IT MEANS 860-880 RESIDENTS ARE MORE BOTH AWARE OF THE NEED TO PRESERVE FOUNDERS INTENT IN MAKING ALTERATIONS TO THE BUILDING AND MORE CAPABLE OF DOING SO FINANCIALLY. <br /><br />THE CLOSEST ANALOGY IS THAT OF AN OWNER OF A CLASSIC MUSCLE CAR AND AN OWNER OF A CLASSIC FERRARI. THE CLASSIC MUSCLE CAR IS A GREAT DESIGN ACHIEVEMENT APPRECIATED BY A SIZABLE CROWD. THE FERRARI IS AN EVEN GREATER DESIGN ACHIEVEMENT APPRECIATED BY AN EVEN LARGER CROWD. THE FERRARI IS WORTH MORE THAN THE MUSCLE CAR AND ITS OWNER IS MORE SOPHISTICATED AND WEALTHIER. WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR REPAIRS AND/OR MAINTENANCE, WHICH OWNER DO YOU THINK WILL APPRECIATE THE NEED AND BE EQUIPPED TO PAY FOR WORK THAT RESPECTS THE DESIGNERS INTENT??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10923291.post-81417402860811067182013-01-10T19:28:56.406-06:002013-01-10T19:28:56.406-06:00Great Reportage Lynne!
I'm so glad that I don...Great Reportage Lynne!<br /><br />I'm so glad that I don't live in a Condo-<br />after watching 1st hand the vitriol spewed forth <br />from the neighboring Hi-Rise @ 405 N. Wabash, where the equally dysfunctional Condo Board<br />fighting against the "other" Condo Assoc. for the Parking Garage-and the Air Rights above- + yet another Condo Association overseeing the Residential Units- and not sure about the Retail/Commercial space in the building.....<br /><br />Why can't other Architecturally savvy residents band together- to oppose this lunacy?<br />The example you offer w/ The Mies Bldgs. on LSD, is a perfectly analogous to when you see an Interior Design Magazine featuring "High Budget"/"Low Budget" Design on-a-Dime residence with one home featuring To The Trade Furniture- and the other showing Furniture sourced from CB2/IKEA and Target.<br /><br />Class?.....My Ass- some would say.<br />Keep The Faith Lynne!Randall Kramerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12809944232191218626noreply@blogger.com